I clicked on that thread expecting to just see a whole lot of racism, so some out of the blue completely irrelevant badhistory was actually kind of a welcome surprise. The Viking story has fascinated people for centuries. Either way, the ship design replicated by the Gurob model was not just something the Sea Peoples used to terrorize the ancient world — the design also heavily influenced many of the naval vessels that came after it,  and in fact may have been one of history's most important ship designs. The Sea Peoples would probably be a bit miffed to learn that today, thousands of years after they terrorized the ancient world, almost no one remembers them. They attacked Egypt from the north, they harassed the Hittites and the Phoenicians (who lived in what is now Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon) and they made life really difficult in Crete and Cyprus. That Ramesses seemed confident that the Sea Peoples were over, but Merneptah found out the hard way how wrong his dad had been. Unless archaeologists one day uncover some hidden text that includes MapQuest directions to the Sea Peoples' homeland, we'll probably never be able to do much more than guess. The name was given to them by a 19th-century Egyptologist who noted that most ancient sources rather generically referred to naval marauders who were "from the sea," without actually being specific about which sea or what lands they'd specifically come from. Viking, member of the Scandinavian seafaring warriors who raided and colonized wide areas of Europe from the 9th to the 11th century. In Ramesses II's time, the Egyptian account of the Sea Peoples says they were allies of the Hittites, who were driven from the Egyptian trade center of Kadesh by Ramesses' army in 1274 BC. The Vikings traveled up along the rivers that lead to the Baltic Sea, pulled their ships on land and continued along the great Russian rivers, down to the Caspian Sea and Black Sea. The Vikings most often sailed along the coasts, but they were the only European seafarers at the time to dare travel so far that they lost sight of land. It was aliens. Everyone knows there's only ever been one group of nautical raiders ever, I can hardly see why this is bad history. It’s true that Vikings were tough warriors who conquered many territories, but […] In the 2,000 years before 1200 BC, merchants were making a tidy living along the coast and on land and everyone was eating olives and drinking wine and congratulating each other on all the prosperity. There's an article high in there at the moment that reads: Australian state of Queensland adopts populist, hard-line laws 'reminiscent of Soviet Russia and Hitler’s Germany'. Oh well, mysteries are more fun anyway. Sea People, any of the groups of aggressive seafarers who invaded eastern Anatolia, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus, and Egypt toward the end of the Bronze Age, especially in the 13th century bce.They are held responsible for the destruction of old powers such as the Hittite empire. To have listened to the people in there, it deserved to win the election. The Hittites may not have been the Sea People, but the Vikings were definitely not the Sea People. Queensland is run by the conservative party with an absolute majority, after r/australia's favourite party made itself so totally unpopular that it was almost unable to form an opposition with its remaining seats - I think that would have been unprecedented in the state. In the Baltic region, Northmen from Norway, Sweden and Denmark weren't the only people engaged in maritime warfare and raiding. Right down to the "The (Conservative) PM is a dictator!". In fact according to San Jose State University, the major source of Sea Peoples dirt comes from one place: a set of carved scenes on a stone wall at Ramesses III's mortuary temple of Medinet Habu on the west bank of the Nile. But every time I stick my head in there I don't see anything to disprove it. To be fair, the Vikings' steel weapons would give them a pretty big edge over the bronze-age Egyptians . The Gurob model has wheels, which makes it easy to mistake for a toy. And some historians think, based on their interpretations of ancient texts, that the Philistines belonged to one of the many groups of Sea Peoples. According to Sea Peoples of the Bronze Age c. 1400 BC-1000 BC, the identity of the Sea Peoples and the location of their homeland was likely known to the ancient Egyptians, so why write something that obvious down? Because in the grand scheme of important archaeological discoveries, well, what could be more important than learning all about what kind of poop this mysterious band of marauders was stepping in all the time. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Aliens! But that's pretty much all they've got, and frankly, it's not super-convincing. And still, no one bothered to make note in the historical record about who they were and where they came from, which does give historians lots of things to disagree about but otherwise seems like a pretty major historical oversight. Or, at least, so I'm told. Also, every freemen sworn to their leader must answer the call when they are called to battle, either for war or raids. (Page of tag Sea Peoples) Let's say Canada decided to invade the United States. To me, a much fairer and understanding comparison would be to the very early days of Mussolini, Franco or Pol Pot. You can only tell so much about history from a picture someone chiseled into a wall. Yes, according to Haaretz, in 2017 researchers announced that at least some of the Sea Peoples traveled with their swine. Around 1200 BC, which was 74 years after the Sea Peoples and the Hittites banded together to take over the Egyptian trade center of Kadesh in the time of Ramesses II, the Sea Peoples decided that shared history really didn't mean much and that they should just annihilate the Hittites because why the heck not. So we've got pictures and names, but whatever. 4. Got out after promising he'd unleash Valhalla on Earth. Join the National Geographic Kids gang as we learn to live like a Scandinavian sea-warrior, in our ten fierce facts about the Vikings… Viking facts. In defense of the guy in the sub, it's a well known fact that in all of human history only the vikings (and their ancestors and descendants who are also vikings obviously) ever mastered the ability to use ships to raid and attack other cultures. To truly comprehend how this could happen, let's just put it in a modern context. Too bad it was on the Vikings themselves. . Ik zoek personeel. Every statement made by the conservatives is reason enough to leave the country. They were back again for the reign of Ramesses III, destroying the trade center of Kadesh and attempting yet another invasion of Egypt. So if the Vikings were the Sea People, but the Mycenaeans built Stonehenge, and the Israelites became the Anglo-Saxons...what, were they just giving out rail passes or something to cause all this migration? But those are all just theories. It looks at the evidence that points to a series of catastrophic events in the western Mediterranean during the Bronze Age which culminated in the final and utter collapse of the Myceneaen colonial power of the El Argar in Spain in about 1350 BC. One possible exception is some 2019 DNA research that might link the remains of 10 skeletons to the Sea Peoples. The Mycenaeans controlled the Aegean Sea and the Sea Peoples, being Sea Peoples, couldn't have that, so they sent ships to attack Mycenaean strongholds, destroying many of the coastal towns on the Greek islands and mainland. But did you know that there was also a World War Zero? Writing systems were abandoned, trade relations were abolished, and loads of people died. If anyone sets up a badhistory contest for the year, I think you've already won. There are a lot of theories about who the Sea Peoples were — some historians think they were Etruscan or Italian, some think Philistine, and others think they may have been Minoan. The name was given to them by a 19th-century Egyptologist who noted that most ancient sources rather generically referred to naval marauders who were "from the sea," without actually being specific about which sea or what lands they'd specifically come from. I can see a potential analogy with the Vikings. SEE People heeft een professionele backoffice met de benodigde certificaten en systemen; Ik zoek personeel. A. Sutherland - AncientPages.com - Famous as the Lords of the Ocean, the Vikings had their homeland in the Nordic regions of Europe known today as Scandinavia. October 18, 2012, zubair, Leave a comment. Everyone who has a passing interest in Bronze Age history has a theory about who the Sea Peoples were, but up until recently none of those theories had a lot of substance to back them up. That's right, one of our most requested subjects, the Vikings, right here on Crash Course. d) Citing unspecified "Swedish studies" is hardly convincing, Finally, some bonus unrelated badhistory in the same thread here. Image source .. Sea People Captives from Medinet Habu . Nice going. Their civilization collapsed during the reign of Ramesses VI, less than 50 years after the last encounter between Egypt and the Sea Peoples. Ramesses defeated them in 1180 BC but they came back, and he had to defeat them again in 1178 BC. Some conquerors can say they took down whole civilizations, but when that happens the invaders/conquerors usually replace those civilizations with their own. Contact. Also, slightly off topic, but I really hate r/australia. From that, we have some details about things like what they looked like, what weapons and armor they used in battle, and what their warships were like. For real information, you have to go three dimensional. The Hyksos were also the ones that introduced chariots to Egypt, which might explain why he mentioned chariots specifically. The Barbary Corsairs were just Vikings with sweet tans. Worse, some people don't think they really existed, and even worse, we think their name is kind of stupid. The Vikings existed nearly two-thousand years after the Sea Peoples. He deserves to be shot - these are the same people upset that the former Prime Minister Gillard was never treated with respect. Benjamin Welton. Net als bij haar riviercruiseschepen richt Viking Ocean Cruises zich op het luxe segment in … Continue reading → It's not just the total lack of an origin story, it's also a near-absence of other details. Okay so here's where the link gets a little tenuous — in theory, the 10 individuals in the study were early Philistines, since their presence in Ashkelon corresponds to the arrival of the Philistines around the beginning of the Iron Age. That means that anyone who wants to be a sea raider takes Race: Viking at character creation. Endemic warfare between the Iron Age tribes living along the shores of the Baltic Sea would have been one of the factors which shaped the practices of the Vikings and their contemporary societies. Sorry to get your hopes up, but we don't know what happened to the Sea Peoples in the end because they vanished from the historical record just as mysteriously as they appeared. Weren't the Sea Peoples the Philistines? These regimes were wildly out of control and I don't think Queensland is anywhere near that level of Authoritarian government. Okay, so why didn't someone, somewhere, write down the identities of these terrifying naval marauders? Viking Sea is het tweede zeecruiseschip voor Viking Ocean Cruises. Also not especially helpful. So that's fascinating but even more fascinating is the fact that we can't trace the origin story of an entire race of conquerors, but we can trace the origin story of a bunch of dead pigs. b) I'm no expert, but no reputable historian seems to even be suggest that the sea people were (pre) Germanic. For a group that had such a profound influence on a fairly large portion of civilization, there is surprisingly little information about the Sea Peoples in the historical record. In the records of that war, five Sea Peoples are named: the Shardana, Teresh, Lukka, Shekelesh and Ekwesh, and are collectively referred to as "northerners coming from all lands". 1200 BCE, writing was utilized in all of the Aegean to record inventories and transactions. Everything that goes wrong in Australia is the fault of the conservative party, whether they're in power or not. Because everyone knows where Canada is and it would be ridiculous for journalists to try to explain it every time they mentioned the Canadian invaders. Anyway, the voice of "reason" pitches in: It seems grossly unfair and unnecessarily hyperbolic to compare Queensland to Soviet Russia or Hitler's Germany. 058 843 28 68. The Origin of the Sea Peoples is founded on my publication 'The Early Minoan Colonization of Spain'. These particular skeletons were unique because they carried genes from Southern Europe, which is not something researchers tend to find in individuals who lived in the area during later periods. This is its own unique brand of "you have no evidence to the contrary, so my lack of evidence trumps yours and must be considered correct" insanity. Badhistory is your one-stop shop for casual dissertations on the historicity of everything from bestselling books to zero-budget adult films! In AD865 an army of Vikings sailed across the North Sea. Whatever the case, attacks by the Sea Peoples certainly contributed to the fall of the Mycenaeans, so great job Sea Peoples. Vikings (TV Series 2013–2020) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. They may have had the intention to move in and take over but in most cases that's not what happened. These are some of the world’s most difficult waters to sail upon, even withthe Viking Ships. The carvings appear to be a pictorial record of a Sea Peoples defeat — in one section, there's a naval battle, in another, a land battle, and in a third, the Sea Peoples have been captured. The Sea Peoples are a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200–900 BCE). SEE The People. 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